Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/30/2001 01:43 PM House FIN

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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       March 30, 2001                                                                                           
                          1:43 PM                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 01 - 68, Side A                                                                                                        
TAPE HFC 01 - 68, Side B                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:43 PM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Brian Porter;  Dean Guaneli, Chief  Assistant                                                                   
Attorney General, Criminal Division,  Department of Law; Doug                                                                   
Wooliver,  Administrative  Attorney,   Alaska  Court  System;                                                                   
Loren Jones, Community Mental  Health/API Replacement Project                                                                   
Director, Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Janet   McCabe,  Partners   for   Downtown  Progress;   Kac'e                                                                   
McDowell,  Cabaret Hotel and  Restaurant Retail  Association;                                                                   
Blair  McCune,  Deputy  Director,   Alaska  Public  Defenders                                                                   
Agency.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 172    "An   Act  relating   to  therapeutic  courts   for                                                                   
          offenders and to the authorized number of superior                                                                    
          court judges."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 172 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
HOUSE BILL NO. 172                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to therapeutic courts for offenders                                                                       
     and to the authorized number of superior court judges."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN  PORTER, SPONSOR spoke in  support of HB
172. The legislation aims, through  a specialized court and a                                                                   
specialized  process,  to deal  with  the most  dangerous  of                                                                   
alcohol   cases:   DWI's  and   specifically   multiple   DWI                                                                   
offenders.  The Legislature  recognizing  the seriousness  of                                                                   
the offense  has balanced  crimes with  treatment and  jails.                                                                   
Four of five  first time offenders do not  re-offend. Serious                                                                   
sanctions  for   first  time   offenses  are  successful   as                                                                   
deterrents. The  bill is aimed at  the one of five  that does                                                                   
re-offend. Seventy-five  percent of those arrested  on felony                                                                   
DWI's re-offend.  The thesis of  the legislation is  that the                                                                   
missing ingredient  is the  acknowledgment that  treatment is                                                                   
necessary  to change  an addiction  behavior.  He noted  that                                                                   
recent alcohol  related traffic  fatalities have  focused the                                                                   
fact  that a  treatment  approach is  necessary.  Therapeutic                                                                   
court has been successful in Anchorage  at the district court                                                                   
level.  He  pointed out  that  an  additional  pharmaceutical                                                                   
approach is now  available to counter addictive  behavior. He                                                                   
acknowledged  that  the legislation  has  significant  fiscal                                                                   
notes attached,  but emphasized that a serious  problem needs                                                                   
serious resources.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde   questioned  if  the  program   exists  in                                                                   
Anchorage.  Representative  Porter  noted  that  there  is  a                                                                   
Wellness  Court  in  the  District   Court  that  deals  with                                                                   
multiple offenders  and some felonies. The  legislation would                                                                   
direct the therapeutic court at  felonies and would reside in                                                                   
the  Superior  Court. There  is  also  a  drug court  in  the                                                                   
Superior Court that is aimed at  narcotics and dangerous drug                                                                   
offenders. The  Anchorage court  is funded through  a federal                                                                   
grant.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   John  Davies   expressed  support   for  the                                                                   
legislation and  questioned if it  is a pilot program  and if                                                                   
it would  be available in  other places  in the state  in the                                                                   
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Porter responded  that the legislation  would                                                                   
establish a court in Anchorage.  A court would be established                                                                   
in Bethel  after six months. The  delay is designed  to allow                                                                   
Bethel  to benefit from  the establishment  of the  Anchorage                                                                   
court and give time to involve the local community.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde noted that there  is a 75 percent recidivism                                                                   
rate  among felony  offenders.  He asked  if the  therapeutic                                                                   
courts reduce the recidivism rate.  Representative Porter did                                                                   
not have statistics,  but emphasized that studies  have shown                                                                   
them  to be  successful in  reducing the  recidivism rate  of                                                                   
those treated.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lancaster questioned  if there would be future                                                                   
evaluations on the program. Representative  Porter noted that                                                                   
there is a provision to evaluate  the success of the program.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson  noted  that  the fiscal  cost  is  $2                                                                   
million general  fund dollars and questioned  if participants                                                                   
would  be required  to partially  pay. Representative  Porter                                                                   
affirmed  that  participants  would  share in  the  cost.  He                                                                   
observed that  the program would  allow participants  to stay                                                                   
out of jail  and remain working. The goal of  the legislation                                                                   
is to not only pay for the cost  treatment, but to also setup                                                                   
a program  to compensate  victims for  the original  offense.                                                                   
The defense,  prosecution and  court would evaluate  each DWI                                                                   
offender. All parties  have to agree to participation  in the                                                                   
program.  The participating  defendants  would plead  guilty.                                                                   
The court would then suspend sentencing  until the end of the                                                                   
treatment   program.  The   legislation  currently   includes                                                                   
timelines  from arrest  to sentencing.  He observed that  the                                                                   
timelines restrict  the courts flexibility and  noted that he                                                                   
would offer an amendment to delete them.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Lancaster  questioned   if  "drug"  is  broad                                                                   
enough  to   encompass  prescription  drugs.   Representative                                                                   
Porter thought  that prescription drugs would  be covered. He                                                                   
emphasized that  he did  not want to  limit the inclusion  of                                                                   
drugs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  John Davies  spoke to  the fiscal impact.  He                                                                   
asked if  there would  be reductions in  other places  in the                                                                   
budget  to compensate  for the  fiscal notes.  Representative                                                                   
Porter  noted  that it  would  be  more appropriate  for  the                                                                   
agencies to respond to the question.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WOOLIVER,  ADMINISTRATIVE ATTORNEY, ALASKA  COURT SYSTEM                                                                   
spoke in support  of the legislation. He noted  that a felony                                                                   
Drug Court in  Anchorage, supported by federal  grants, would                                                                   
begin  operations  in a  month.  A  Mental Health  Court  has                                                                   
operated for the last two years.  The Wellness Court is aimed                                                                   
at   municipal  alcohol   abusers,   especially   misdemeanor                                                                   
multiple DWI offenders. The Wellness  Court is successful but                                                                   
suffers from the fact that it  operates through the will of a                                                                   
single  judge. He  stressed  that therapeutic  courts,  which                                                                   
utilize  naltrexone are  very successful.  He emphasized  the                                                                   
need for studies.  The Alaska Court System fiscal  note calls                                                                   
for two  new Superior Court  Justices. The legislation  focus                                                                   
on  felony  DWI's which  are  heard  in Superior  Court.  The                                                                   
Superior  Court already  has  more cases  than  it can  hear.                                                                   
Therapeutic   courts   take  more   effort   per   defendant.                                                                   
Defendants  return to  the court for  multiple hearings.  The                                                                   
increase in workload triggers  the need for an extra judge in                                                                   
Anchorage.  The felony  caseload has doubled  since the  last                                                                   
superior court judge was added in 1985.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  discussed the need  for a superior  court judge                                                                   
in Bethel. The  Bethel court has twice the  workload as other                                                                   
areas. A new district court judge  was funded in the previous                                                                   
fiscal year. The legislation would  turn this position into a                                                                   
superior   court  judge.   The  fiscal   note  reflects   the                                                                   
difference.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams  referred  to  suspended  sentencing.  Mr.                                                                   
Wooliver  explained  that  when the  court,  prosecution  and                                                                   
defense agree  that a person is  a candidate for  the program                                                                   
the candidate would plead guilty.  Defendants are apprised of                                                                   
the  sentencing  benefit  from  their  participation  in  the                                                                   
program.  If the candidate  is successful  in completing  the                                                                   
program  they  would receive  the  agreed upon  reduction  in                                                                   
sentencing. If they  drop out of the program  the judge would                                                                   
sentence them  under whatever  terms are appropriate  at that                                                                   
time.  He  acknowledged  that  relapses  occur.  The  program                                                                   
generally lasts  a year or more. The legislation  anticipates                                                                   
80  participants  a year  in  Anchorage. The  Bethel  program                                                                   
anticipates serving  15 people in the first  half-year and 45                                                                   
per year in the following full year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde questioned  if  the new  judges would  have                                                                   
duties in addition to their work  with the therapeutic court.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wooliver  affirmed that judges  would have  other duties.                                                                   
He explained  that other  felony DWI  cases, which  are being                                                                   
handled  in  District  Court,  would be  transferred  to  the                                                                   
Superior  Court  where  they belong.  The  additional  judges                                                                   
would  also handle  increases  in  workload,  which would  be                                                                   
generated by  the passage  of HB 4.  The Alaska Court  System                                                                   
cannot do more  without an additional judge,  however, once a                                                                   
judge   is  added  more   can  be   done.  Additional   court                                                                   
proceedings would offset reductions  in recidivism. The exact                                                                   
amount of savings is unknown.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde  stressed the benefit of keeping  people off                                                                   
the  road  and   emphasized  that  if  the   fiscal  cost  is                                                                   
comparable that the program would be a win/win situation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a  question  by Representative  Hudson,  Mr.                                                                   
Wooliver noted that there are  an average of 100 DWI felonies                                                                   
a  year   in  Anchorage.   The  number   could  increase   if                                                                   
legislation before the Legislature is adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LOREN JONES, COMMUNITY MENTAL  HEALTH/API REPLACEMENT PROJECT                                                                   
DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH  AND SOCIAL SERVICES testified                                                                   
in support of  the legislation. He noted that  the department                                                                   
has submitted  an additional $55 thousand dollar  fiscal note                                                                   
in  response   to  an  amendment   in  the  House   Judiciary                                                                   
Committee. The amendment added  a responsibility to establish                                                                   
infrastructure to support advancements  to defendants for the                                                                   
cost of treatment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones observed that 56 percent  of the individuals in out                                                                   
patient treatment  were abstinent for  a year; 47  percent of                                                                   
residential patients were abstinent  after a year. He pointed                                                                   
out  that  residential  patients   have  a  higher  level  of                                                                   
impairment.  Those  that  received  the  greatest  number  of                                                                   
contact hours  in treatment  did better than  the group  as a                                                                   
whole. An independent group conducted  the study on rural and                                                                   
urban  areas  for  out  patients   and  residential  patients                                                                   
several years  ago. The fiscal  note does not  anticipate the                                                                   
use  of residential  treatment.  The Division  would  provide                                                                   
grant  funds to  local nonprofit  organizations in  Anchorage                                                                   
and Bethel.  The fiscal note  would assure that  treatment is                                                                   
immediately available.  There are wait lists  for services in                                                                   
Anchorage  and  Fairbanks.  Treatment   must  be  immediately                                                                   
available  when they enter  the therapeutic  court.  He noted                                                                   
that up  to 10 hours of  direct services a week  are received                                                                   
in the  first 6  - 8 weeks.  By the end  of the program  they                                                                   
receive  services   once  a  month.   They  would   also  get                                                                   
naltrexone services if appropriate.  The judge would check on                                                                   
progress and receive reports from counselors.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams   questioned  if   the  grants   would  be                                                                   
available each  year. Mr. Jones  noted that the  department's                                                                   
fiscal  note  for  grants  is  $501  thousand  dollars:  $409                                                                   
thousand dollars  for Anchorage and $92 thousand  dollars for                                                                   
Bethel during the first year.  The second year cost in Bethel                                                                   
would be  $276 thousand  dollars. This is  75 percent  of the                                                                   
total  costs; defendants  are  expected to  pay  at least  25                                                                   
percent of the cost in Anchorage and 10 percent in Bethel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde questioned how  naltrexone affects  people.                                                                   
Mr. Jones explained that naltrexone  is an alcohol antagonist                                                                   
that  reduces   the  cravings   to  take  the   first  drink.                                                                   
Naltrexone  does  not  make people  sick.  The  only  counter                                                                   
indication is  severe liver disease. Chronic  alcoholics that                                                                   
take naltrexone tend  to stay in treatment longer  and report                                                                   
significant reductions in cravings.  It is an expensive drug.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  referred to  the  pool of  eligibility.  He                                                                   
noted that the  legislation states that the  court may accept                                                                   
a defendant that is not charged  with an unclassified felony,                                                                   
a  class  A  felony,  or an  offense  under  AS  11.41.410  -                                                                   
11.41.470 and will focus on defendants  charged with multiple                                                                   
driving while intoxicated offenses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  observed that there  are 100 felony  DWI offenders                                                                   
in Anchorage.  There  are defendants  with multiple  offenses                                                                   
that could  still be misdemeanors  due to the  length between                                                                   
offenses. The decision  was made to limit the court  to 80 in                                                                   
Anchorage, 15  for the  first half-year in  Bethel and  45 in                                                                   
Bethel  the next full  year. The  pool of  people that  could                                                                   
self-select would  be larger.  The Division's fiscal  note is                                                                   
$400 thousand dollars.  The court would be established  for a                                                                   
three-year period.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  noted that  there  would  be an  annual  $2                                                                   
million  dollar fiscal  note.  Representative Croft  observed                                                                   
that the fiscal  cost in the year 2003 would  be $2.5 million                                                                   
dollars  (the  cost  per  defendant  would  be  $20,000).  He                                                                   
stressed  that 100  people in  jail would  cost $2.5  million                                                                   
dollars. If  100 people  were kept out  of prison  the fiscal                                                                   
cost would be even. He pointed  out that 75 percent of felony                                                                   
DWI  offenders re-offend.  He suggested  that the  recidivism                                                                   
rate would be lowered  from 75 to 50. He stressed  that there                                                                   
would be collateral benefits from reducing DWI offences.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 01 - 68, Side B                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jones  explained that  after arrest  a person enters  the                                                                   
court.  If they  are  found guilty  the  court places  felony                                                                   
offenders  in jail. Misdemeanor  offenders  may be placed  in                                                                   
jail  or  referred  to alcohol  safety  action  programs  for                                                                   
assessment and  treatment. Treatment providers  try to engage                                                                   
the  person. In  therapeutic  courts the  judge,  prosecutor,                                                                   
public  defender,   probation   officer  and  the   treatment                                                                   
counselor come together  as a team. The team  puts more focus                                                                   
on the individual in order to  keep them out of jail, prevent                                                                   
them from  driving while  intoxicated and encourage  sobriety                                                                   
and long-term  recovery so  that they  can be productive  and                                                                   
not repeat  their offense.  The legislation provides  funding                                                                   
specifically for repeat offenders,  which desperately need to                                                                   
be targeted,  without impacting  scarce resources,  for which                                                                   
there  are wait  lists.  The ultimate  goal  is  to stop  the                                                                   
behavior and reduce deaths from drunk drivers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson agreed that  it is not just a matter of                                                                   
reducing  expenses. He  emphasized  the  value of  prevention                                                                   
versus incarceration.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  GUANELI,  CHIEF ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  CRIMINAL                                                                   
DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT   OF  LAW  spoke  in   support  of  the                                                                   
legislation. He  noted that the Legislature's  attention over                                                                   
the last  7 years has focused  on increasing  jail sentencing                                                                   
for  alcohol  related  offenses.   He  questioned  if  longer                                                                   
sentencing is  working. He  acknowledged that defendants  are                                                                   
not driving  while in jail,  but noted that recidivism  rates                                                                   
are  high. He  stressed that  the  therapeutic court  program                                                                   
seems to  be working and  is worth a  try. The pilot  program                                                                   
allows judges flexibility. Suspension  of sentencing provides                                                                   
an incentive. He  maintained that the program  should be done                                                                   
on a limited and  controlled basis to see if  it works. There                                                                   
is a requirement  for a follow-up evaluation.  The department                                                                   
feels that the legislation contains sufficient safe guards.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Guaneli acknowledged  the fiscal cost, but  stressed that                                                                   
the  cost of  incarceration is  also  expensive. He  observed                                                                   
that the average  time served by repeat DWI offenders  is 9 -                                                                   
10 months. Third  time offenses receive 6 -  8 months. Fourth                                                                   
time  offenders  receive  10  - 13  and  5th  time  offenders                                                                   
receive up to  18 months. There is a population  of hard-core                                                                   
drinkers that  are difficult to  crack. He acknowledged  that                                                                   
there  would   be  relapses.  He  stressed  that   there  are                                                                   
economies  of scale.  He thought  that in  comparison to  the                                                                   
cost of incarceration the program would break even.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  questioned   if  the  number  of  potential                                                                   
applicants   is  accurate.   Mr.  Guaneli   noted  that   the                                                                   
unclassified felony, class A offenses  and sex offenders that                                                                   
are being excluded make a relatively  small percentage of the                                                                   
felony offenders.  There are approximately  100 cases  a year                                                                   
in Anchorage.  In Bethel, some drug-addicted  offenders would                                                                   
also benefit. There are over 1,000  cases of serious offenses                                                                   
as the  result of alcohol that  could benefit from  a similar                                                                   
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  questioned if  the  assumption  is that  80                                                                   
cases would  plead guilty to  take advantage of  the program.                                                                   
Mr. Guaneli stressed that there  are sufficient incentives to                                                                   
encourage people to  enter the program. The target  of 80 was                                                                   
chosen to limit the program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder questioned  the measurement  of success  and                                                                   
asked  what  is  being  used as  a  baseline  comparison.  He                                                                   
maintained that  without a baseline  the department  is going                                                                   
to come  back and claim that  the program was  an unqualified                                                                   
success. Mr. Guaneli noted that  the rate of success is based                                                                   
on  recidivism.  Mr. Jones  noted  that the  Alaska  Judicial                                                                   
Council would evaluate the program.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  recommended a  letter of intent,  to outline                                                                   
baseline criteria.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft observed that  the recidivism  rate and                                                                   
sobriety  over consecutive  periods such  as 6  months and  a                                                                   
year would be a baseline.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Guaneli  spoke in  support of  a long-term follow-up  and                                                                   
acknowledged the need for baseline information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative John  Davies noted that page 3,  line 19 calls                                                                   
for  collection   of  data  about   and  evaluation   of  the                                                                   
effectiveness of the program and  maintained that a letter of                                                                   
intent to  clarify would  be out of  order. He stressed  that                                                                   
the baseline needs to be the total population.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster noted that  jail is not a deterrent. He                                                                   
felt that the program would be beneficial.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JANET MCCABE,  PARTNERS FOR  DOWNTOWN PROGRESS testified  via                                                                   
teleconference  in support of  the legislation.  Partners for                                                                   
Downtown Progress  is the  local nonprofit organization  that                                                                   
worked with  Judge Wanamaker to  developed and  implement the                                                                   
Wellness Court.  Federal funding supports treatment  and case                                                                   
coordination.  She pointed  to  the success  of the  Wellness                                                                   
Court. She spoke  in support of allowing  flexible timelines.                                                                   
She noted  that the  Wellness Court is  funded by  a one-time                                                                   
federal  grant that  will be  depleted January  1, 2002.  She                                                                   
spoke in  support of continuing  the District  Court program.                                                                   
The  majority of  DWI cases  are  on the  municipal level  in                                                                   
Anchorage.  She  stated that  they  have language  that  they                                                                   
would like  to recommend for  the criteria of  selection. She                                                                   
observed  that  defendants have  nominated  themselves  after                                                                   
seeing video footage on naltrexone.  She stressed the need to                                                                   
choose persons that  are going to succeed. She  observed that                                                                   
the pilot  programs would  be in  accordance with a  mutually                                                                   
agreed-upon plan.  She suggested that  there be a  leader and                                                                   
recommended  that "under  the leadership  of the  therapeutic                                                                   
court judges" be  added. She reiterated that  funding for the                                                                   
Wellness Court would end.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  John Davies asked  the amount of  the federal                                                                   
grant for the  Wellness Court. Ms. McCabe responded  that the                                                                   
federal  grant is  $150 thousand  dollars.  Treatment for  40                                                                   
people was  covered with  the grant. The  goal is to  get the                                                                   
defendant started. The program  pays for the first month or 2                                                                   
of  naltrexone, and  funds a  case coordinator  hired by  the                                                                   
municipality to  work with the  defendants and  help identify                                                                   
candidates.   There  is   also  a   community  liaison.   The                                                                   
administration of the program is on a volunteer basis.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  John Davies  questioned if  the clientele  of                                                                   
the  Wellness  Court is  different  from the  clientele  that                                                                   
would be  served by  the legislation.  Ms. McCabe noted  that                                                                   
the   Wellness  Court   serves  municipal   cases  that   are                                                                   
predominately misdemeanants.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative John  Davies asked if  it is the same  form of                                                                   
treatment and how  often they are back before  the court. Ms.                                                                   
McCabe noted  that clients are  brought back to court  once a                                                                   
month  and sent  back  to jail  if  they have  relapsed.  Out                                                                   
patient  treatment   is  used.   Naltrexone  is   also  used.                                                                   
Offenders are supervised for a year to 18 months.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BLAIR  MCCUNE,  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA  PUBLIC  DEFENDERS                                                                   
AGENCY  testified  via  teleconference   in  support  of  the                                                                   
legislation.  He  noted  that  the  Alaska  Public  Defenders                                                                   
Agency's  inability  to  follow  up on  their  clients.  They                                                                   
participate with Anchorage in  the Mental Health court, which                                                                   
has been successful.  He acknowledged that the  Mental Health                                                                   
Court  is  more  resource  intensive,  but  emphasized  their                                                                   
success  rate. He  spoke in  support of  allowing credit  for                                                                   
time served.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  noted that a  defendant referred to  a court                                                                   
shall enter  a plea of  guilty or no  contest within  45 days                                                                   
after   the   defendant's   first   appearance   before   the                                                                   
therapeutic court. Representative  Porter interjected that he                                                                   
would not propose an amendment to address this section.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  questioned  the  need  for  5  more  public                                                                   
defenders  if the  clients are  pleading  guilty. Mr.  McCune                                                                   
noted  that the  success  of the  court is  based  on a  team                                                                   
approach.  He observed  that defendants  will discuss  things                                                                   
with the  public defenders  under attorney/client  privileges                                                                   
and emphasized  that the defense  attorney has a  strong role                                                                   
to  play   in  assisting   counselors  and  determining   the                                                                   
direction of  treatment. He observed  that there would  be an                                                                   
added superior court  judge. It takes four lawyers  to handle                                                                   
the work before  each superior court judge.  Cases before the                                                                   
therapeutic  courts require  additional  work  and take  more                                                                   
time  than other  cases.  He felt  that  he  fiscal note  was                                                                   
justified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Porter  pointed out  that  there  would be  a                                                                   
diminishment of the superior court  judge's activity since he                                                                   
would  be involved  with  therapeutic courts,  which  require                                                                   
more time  per case.  He maintained that  there would  not be                                                                   
additional DWI arrests  as the result of the  legislation. If                                                                   
anything there would be less.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde  noted that the superior court  judges would                                                                   
not be  100 percent  focused on  therapeutic court  cases. He                                                                   
questioned  if  the  public defenders  added  would  be  also                                                                   
working  on other  cases. Mr.  McCune  acknowledged that  the                                                                   
additional public  defenders would  also be working  on other                                                                   
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB  172  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:45 p.m.                                                                                          

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